In this episode, I sit down with Father John Henry Hanson, a Norbertine priest, formator, and spiritual writer from St. Michael’s Abbey whose work lives at the crossroads of psychology and spirituality. Father holds a degree in psychology from Divine Mercy University, and his upcoming book The Fire and the Silence explores what it truly means to align the mind with God in a world that never stops pulling our attention away. This conversation stopped me in my tracks—and I think it will do the same for you.

I’ll walk you through:

✅ Why psychological order alone leaves us empty—and what actually fills the rooms of the soul

✅ How interior silence isn’t passive—it’s one of the most demanding and transformative things you can practice

✅ The difference between creating order in your mind and creating life in your mind

✅ Why therapy works—and where it reaches its limits without something deeper

✅ How cognition either opens or closes the door to genuine spiritual growth

✅ What a life shaped by prayer, discipline, and silence actually looks like from the inside

✅ Why removing something from your life is never enough—and what you need to replace it with

Whether you’re someone who has done the therapy, read the books, done the work—and still feel like something essential is missing—or you’re simply curious about what a deeply interior life looks like in practice, Father Hanson offers something rare: wisdom that is lived, not just spoken.

🔔 Remember: You can have a perfectly ordered house and still have an empty home. What fills the rooms matters just as much as the order you create in them.

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Fr. John Henry Hanson’s relevant links:

St. Michael’s Abbey: https://www.stmichaelsabbey.com

Link to Father Hanson’s interview on St. Michael’s Abbey’s YouTube Channel

For US residents only: Pre-order The Fire and the Silence through this link on Scepter Publishing’s Website.